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mina
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Posted: 11 November 2006 06:11 am |
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Hi Everyone,
I have been on this diet and having such a hard time sticking to it. I Keep cheating, I see from the post that there is a old plan and new plan . Is there a book out there . Also when i eat my meals if it says fish , i eat fish and nothing else( ex: salad or vegtable) Am i doing this right!!! I really need to loose the weight and i am desperate....
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laladias
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Posted: 11 November 2006 11:27 pm |
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hi Mina...
I don't have the answer to your questions because I am just as confused as you. I just started 3 days ago and I also feel like cheating or feel hungry most of the time... I guess i've chosen my food selection wrong for this first cycle.
Anyway, I am doing the old plan... because it allows me to eat the sandwishes which helps me alot.. not to cheat.
But anyway, how are you doing so far ? When did you start?
Good luck and let's keep on posting our thoughts and experience, i find it very inspiring and comforting.
Good luck.
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mina
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Posted: 12 November 2006 02:34 am |
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hi,
I've been on it for a month or so on and off.....3 days and then I cheat my mom and sister have started with me this week so there is extra support...But i am hungry. Which is the old plan? I thought you could only have a sandwich on the fruit day and only one at that.....love to talk and get support
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laladias
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Posted: 12 November 2006 02:12 pm |
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Hi again Mina...
I'm not totally sure how to get acess to the old or new plan, I think i got it by accident. What i did was, i logged in with a different month and date and then by surprise, i got a different plan.
The old plan don't allow to eat ny sandwish on the veggie day. In fact, it is my fruit and veggie day today and I'm allowed to eat only 3 meals. 1 of fruit and 1 of vegetables.
I just woke up. It's about 10.30 am here in Denmark now... and i plan to have a large bowl of chopped fruits and then make a really big soup to feed me the rest of the day :-) I'll let you know tomorrow.
Camila
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mina
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Posted: 12 November 2006 05:52 pm |
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hi camila,
I am going to try that and see what happens. I signed up and got the new plan...but it seems that from the posts the old plan is preferred...Isolina
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Nir
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Posted: 12 November 2006 10:41 pm |
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[First I should qualify by saying I don't follow this diet]
If you were looking for the healthiest diet, Eat To Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman would be hard to beat.
The IPD menus appear to have a reasonable amount of protein, but they're not particularly strong on other nutrients (vitamins, minerals, pytochemicals, fibre) and variety is also restricted. People have commented that they are treating it as a diet - a temporary way of getting results before coming off it. Indeed the whole concept of the "cheat days" suggests it isn't pleasant to keep it going indefinitely.
Everybody has to start their journey of learning about nutrition somewhere. There will be those people whose previous eating habits are less healthy than IPD, who will learn useful lessons from it. For example, this diet asks you to eat 4 times a day, a step in the right direction (5-6 is better). Although fruit/veg consumption is relatively low on this diet, this will be the first time that some dieters have actually eaten fruits and vegetables, a step in the right direction for them!
By analogy, I will mention that in 2003/4 I followed Atkins. I read the book and plenty of articles on the website. I have learnt many valuable nutrtion lessons from Atkins: good vs bad carbohydrates, for instance. Ultimately my new-found love of fruits and vegetables (and doubts about the health of eating a high-fat, high-saturated-fat diet) saw me saying goodbye to Atkins some 2.5 years ago. But it was a valuable education for me.
Today I find it hard to just pick one plan and stick with it. I see both benefits and imperfections in the various approaches. I'm following at least 2 at the moment, but interpreting them myself and bridging the gaps and contradictions as I please.
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anursesview
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Posted: 13 November 2006 07:28 pm |
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Just wondering if anyone has substituted lean pork on chicken days considering the nutritional analysis is almost the same regarding calories, protein, carbs and fat content?
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laladias
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Posted: 14 November 2006 01:04 am |
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hi Isolina... how's it going so far?
Yesterday was my fruit + veggie day and it was surprisely good. Wasn't hungry at all after my 3 meals. I made a big vegetable soup... it was actually very tasty and filling.
did you get a hold of the old plan ?.. if not, there are some directions somewhere in this forum, can't remember where, but i've seen people mentioning a couple of times...
Anyway... just passing by to post a little note.
:-) Cheers
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mina
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Posted: 14 November 2006 01:54 am |
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Hi Camila,
Lost a pound so that is good. Still havent found the old plan...Today was an all day vegi day no fruit, so i too made the vegtable soup and that actually held me up pretty well. Talk to you soon....Isolina
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teresamc1
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Posted: 17 November 2006 03:01 am |
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Hello all, I'm glad to know others are on this diet too. This is my 6th day, and although i was real proud and happy the first day, i'm starting to get discouraged because scale shows i only lost 1.5 lbs so far! I'm drinking 10 glasses of water, exercising 45 mins/day, following plan 1 and being so good! What's wrong? Still - proud to say my jeans feel a little loser today. However - I don't think i'll be losing 9 lbs in 11 days  ANyone have any ideas?
Teresa
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teresamc1
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Posted: 17 November 2006 03:08 am |
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This is my 6th day, and was hoping to lose a lot quicker. However, i've only lost 1.5 lbs so far. Height is 5'2", started with weight of 122lbs, and want to go down to 112 lbs. Think I will be able to do it on this diet?
Teresa
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teresamc1
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Posted: 17 November 2006 03:12 am |
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A comment on weight watchers - when I tried it, i found it difficult to stay within 20 points and eat yummy foods. Seemed like all the low point foods are really bland and blah. Can you please send me list of a few things that you liked and helped you stay within your points?
One thing i like about this diet is now and then you get to eat yummy foods - plus dont have to think too hard about menus. My problem is I dont have time to plan meals, and so end up starving resulting in eating junk or high cal foods!
Thanks,
Teresa
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nevd
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Posted: 19 November 2006 03:27 pm |
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This is my 6th day, and although i was real proud and happy the first day, i'm starting to get discouraged because scale shows i only lost 1.5 lbs so far!
Always be wary of schemes that claim you'll lose 'X pounds in X days'. No human body works like that, and much early 'weight loss' consists of water.
On the other hand, don't despair. If you can lose 1.5 pounds on average every six days, you will not only achieve your aim, but be likelier to maintain your success. There's also a good chance that all of your loss will have been body fat, not water or muscle.
So that's another cloud with a silver lining, right?
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Dobie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 04:25 pm |
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Jayelle did, but I am not sure if she is around still or not.
I have done similar such as this diet generator but substitute liberally or not even look at the diet, but just eat the same way with my foods. It is how I will "survive" the US Thanksgiving this weekend. I have not really lost long term because my natural tendency to eat is to enjoy the bad stuff and way too much of it. So I have learned when I am not "strictly on the diet", I snack, drink pop, in general do things that keep me from losing. So when I need to lose, I go by one of the generated diets.
My long term goal, once reached, will be to eat by "the rules" (the name I call the portion of the plan you speak of) and if I gain back to my goal + 10, go back on the generated diet until I return to my goal and switch back. That is it for life for me.
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Dobie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 04:59 pm |
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The rules imply you should not. But if you understand why, I think it makes more sense.
If, and I mean IF, you just add healthy vegitables (not creamed or cheesy or sauteed in butter, etc) but if raw, steamed, boiled, grilled, or even cooked with the main food (say the broth from the chicken, or whatever) then i cannot see this doing anything but making you healthy UNLESS you do like I did last Thanksgiving. Please see my thread on "Thanksgiving warning" here.
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Dobie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 05:10 pm |
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spryte22 wrote: I noticed that these menus don't have the recommended daily servings that nutritionists suggest or whatever. What are some ideas about this? I do not have the book or anything, but only 3 menus for three 11 day sets. I am curious if we actually need what we are being told or if this diet is actually unhealthy.
I feel healthy. Like Nir said, most are not eating healthy anyway, so I agree this is the right direction. I take vitamins anyway and snack of fruits and veggies on my off days. I eat about the same amount as I did before, but I eat healthier (that is less cheese and broccoli, etc.)
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Dobie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 05:13 pm |
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We do occasionally and vice versa, but our diet has ham listed and we almost always do a lean pork loin instead of ham.
I think that is fine.
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Frankie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 05:31 pm |
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Dobie,
I think that's a good idea, to have a point at which you will switch to something stricter, to make sure you don't gain all the weight back once you reach your goal. I am wondering if 10 lbs is too much? That's a lot to lose and can take a long time. During that period, if it's taking too long, it might be easier to get discouraged. Maybe 3 lbs would be safer. Just a thought.
But if I understand what you're saying, you gain weight while you're following "the rules?" If so, why follow them?
I have regretfully realized I just cannot do FL4I, in any version. It makes me into a crazy person. I feel hungry all the time, obsessed with food, I go shopping every 2 days and am contantly consulting my diet printout or whatever...plus I end up binging. I am sorry that I'm not one of the people who have done so well on it. I just have the wrong personality.
I am currently doing a modified ETL thing, which is kind of working for me. Or at least, it's working better than FL4I was.
Frankie
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Nir
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Posted: 20 November 2006 05:35 pm |
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| I'm not on IPD but I'm suffering from the (goal + 10lb) problem. I was at goal 3 times already this year (2006). Once in late April, once in late May, once in early September. Looking at it another way, that's 4 "dieting phases". If only I could stay there at my goal once I arrive, I would (A) be a lot happier (B) not be engaged in what is effectively yo-yo dieting (C) be able to tackle the muscle-gain objective (which is best done on a slight calorie surplus rather than a calorie deficit).
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teresamc1
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Posted: 21 November 2006 06:57 am |
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Thanks for the encouragement; I didn't lose hope too quickly. This is day #10, and the scale could be lying but it showed that I lost 5.5lbs! My scale isnt the best, so I wont get my hopes up too soon. However, I have gotten used to eating lest, and laying of chocolates! That in itself is great progress for me!
/Teresa
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Frankie
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Posted: 22 November 2006 04:37 am |
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I am yo-yoing like crazy. Today was another bad day. I keep a trash bag around my gear shift, and it's so full of candy wrappers I'm embarrassed. Have to hide it before my husband sees it!
don't know how to get out of this whole thing, though.
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laladias
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Posted: 26 November 2006 12:33 am |
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hi isolina... how is it going ? It's been a while I don't login but i'm still on the diet :-)
done with the 1st. cycle. Lost about 7 pounds. Happy with the result.
how about you ?
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mina
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Posted: 26 November 2006 03:33 pm |
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Holidays put me in a bad spot so i will start again on monday.Keep me posted on how the second phase goes
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ufkitty79
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Posted: 28 November 2006 07:42 am |
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I wouldn't say we're alcoholics by any means, but my boyfriend and I (and all the people we hang around with) are pretty heavy drinkers come the weekend...and sometimes during the week (especially around the Holidays)...maybe it's a Chicago thing.
But I was wondering if anyone knew how this would affect my diet. I usually stay away from beer and drink primarily tanqueray and tonics which I'm at the bar, and wine with dinner (always red). I stay away from sugary drinks, redbull drinks, and any kind of drink made with soda cause I don't like anything sweet.
Aside from what I already know alcohol does...does anyone else have experience with drinking on this diet? It's really not a matter of, "Hey don't drink." Cause that's not gonna happen.
THanks!
ufkitty79
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vicky in England
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Posted: 28 November 2006 03:45 pm |
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Hi there,
Cant say Im an angel myself when it comes to a glass or two (or three or four) of wine ... Ive been dieting off and on for years . I lose weight when I give up the booze and I put weight on when I start on the wine again. Booze makes you overweight and you wont lose any weight until you seriously cut it down.
Its unrealistic to say stop overnight - I know its hard - been there - done that. But at least try and cut it back. Have a glass of wine not a bottle. Half a beer but not 2. Nurse your glass. Go out an hour later, come home an hour earlier, have water with dinner. Sounds hard when you like your booze but booze is FULL OF CALORIES.
You wont stop drinking overnight but you can cut it down. Think - if you're on a 1500 calorie diet a day there are 750 calories in a bottle of wine!
Good Luck,
Vicky in England
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Nir
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Posted: 28 November 2006 04:31 pm |
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A 25ml measure of most spirits packs about 56 calories (that assumes you drink it neat or with no-calorie mixer). A glass of wine is approximately 100 calories (?). It is remarkably easy for those liquid calories to add up to significant amounts. How many calories does your typical weekend and weekday sessions translate to?
I find it quite difficult to stick to my calorie limits on the days I drink!
The body regards the alcohol in your bloodstream as a toxin, so it does its best to detox itself by using the alcohol for energy first. Therefore carbohydrate and fat burning are effectively on hold so long as the alcohol calories are still in your system.
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vicky in England
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Posted: 28 November 2006 05:38 pm |
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Thats interesting about the toxins and the body burning these instead of fats etc. It certainly explains a few things...
Im down to just having wine on a Saturday night and have cut out all wine and beer all week. Starting to lose weight now with only a few alterations to what I eat.
Booze is addictive. Once you start its hard to stop - thats why Im trying not to start of an evening - but I'll give myself Saturday night off - but Im not having a drink til 10pm and as Im asleep by 11pm it cuts drinking time down dramatically! Hope I can keep it up!
Vicky in England
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ufkitty79
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Posted: 28 November 2006 06:13 pm |
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Hmmm...see. That's really not going to work for me because we don't go out for just an hour. I guess I'll just really have to make a valiant effort not to drink when we go out...which probably won't be half bad considering how bad it really is for you.
I'll just have to double up on water on the days that I do...
I had the cottage cheese and bacon this morning...yum! Tuna and eggs for meals 2 and 3, and probably just some green veggies for meal 4.
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vicky in England
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Posted: 28 November 2006 06:47 pm |
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Hi Kitty
What about changing your going out habits. Stay in an extra night. Go somewhere posh were you have to dress up rather than go to a more casual bar. If you're all dressed up and elegant you'll drink less cos you want to look nice ! What about meeting your friends somewhere besides the bar (never been to Chicago so cant suggest anywhere) perhaps to the cinema or theatre or sports match. Go somewhere where there isnt a bar!
By boozing you are undoing all the hard work of your food dieting......
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ufkitty79
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Posted: 28 November 2006 07:11 pm |
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Yeah, my beau and I have been talking about doing that...and if it were up to us, we probably would. But I have my work holiday party, and his work holiday party, and two fundraisers...all which will probably last more than an hour. Definitely increasing the chances of me having more than one drink...
So, it's willpower...or at least, waiting to see real progress until after the new year. I would have waited until then, but we are spending Christmas at my mothers and if I show up 20 pounds heavier, she will definitely give me a hard time 
I'm not too worried about it. I'll just have to moderate :-)
Thanks for your input! Good luck!
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nevd
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Posted: 28 November 2006 08:31 pm |
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Unfortunately, if you drink often (and enough of it) you really aren't on any sort of diet.
I keep my wine intake for the weekends, then it's something to look forward to.
Beer is a treat when I go out for a curry (once every blue moon).
As someone else suggested, it's hard to watch what you eat when you're merry and your guard's down.
Would the others insist that you drink alcohol just because they want to?
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Posted: 8 December 2006 08:02 am |
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 Hello! I've been reading the WL4I forum for awhile now as I've used that plan off and on for sometime now-more off than on-and have only been able to do the whole 11 days without falter a couple times. I did lose tho. About 5-8 lbs. I need to lose about 15-20 lbs. now and was planning to go back to WL4I, but wondered if anyone has tried the forgetcalories.com which I'm wondering if might be a good plan. I would like to know more before I spend the money-or if it's much different than the WL4I. I think it will be nice to use this forum as a support plan this time regardless. Thanks for ANY input. A country girl who loves food!
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Posted: 8 December 2006 08:32 am |
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| Boy-I'm having a terrible time getting my question posted in the right place. I'm new at this and thought it would be fun to join in since I've tried the WL4I quite awhile off and on, but my question is going to appear in 3 different places-sorry. Maybe I'll get a good answer-ha! Anyway, wondered if anyone has tried the forgetcalories plan and if so how was it and how did it compare to WL4I? Seems I read somewhere in here it is by the same makers of WL4I. Thanks for any info. I'll go back and try WL4I probably if I don't get any response to the other. Sincerely, A dumb cluck. Tonite anyway.
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sillylili
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Posted: 9 December 2006 04:54 am |
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Hi Elsie. Welcome to the forum. In regards to your question I too was curious about forgetcalories and posted a question about it but I never got a response so I just stuck with fl4I and I have been doing great. I think you should stick to this one. As you've read alot of people modify this diet. I modify it by adding veggies to the just protein part. I also have a spoonful of PB when it calls for lowfat milk and turkey. It works for me maybe because I workout everyday and I don't want to feel lousy that's why I add on veggies. If you have any questions let me know. 
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Posted: 10 December 2006 02:36 am |
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| Thanks for your input sillylili! That's kind of what I was planning-I like the idea of modification-get's a little boring otherwise. My main problem is sweets. Especially chocolate. I use a supplement called Gluco-Stable which may help some-but after a few days I get cravings then if I keep going I'm usually ok after about 3-4 more days. Just depends on my system and the time of month and the stars and my biorythyms ect.-I guess-ha! What kind of exercising are you doing? Thanks again. Elsie
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sillylili
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Posted: 10 December 2006 06:21 am |
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| Hi Elsie. Your going to do great on this diet. Actually it just becomes a way of life. Once you start this you probably won't need to take your gluco thing. You just won't have cravings. It won't happen right away cause you will be thinking about your up coming cheat days and when they do your like" Umm do I really want that?"And as far as exercise I do weights Mon,Wed,Fri (Power90 dvd) And the rest of the days cardio which is the treadmill for 45 min. I've added the incline and it burns more cal & carbs. Anyways don't forget that exercise plays an important part in the diet as well as water. I am constantly drinking water all day. Let me know how it goes. Tomorrow I will post my stats since today is day 11 of cycle 2.
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Posted: 12 December 2006 06:59 am |
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| Thanks so much for the encouragement Lily-tis a hard time to be dieting with the upcoming holidays and food galore. Started today. Hadn't been exercising for awhile as well so am getting back to that. I also use exercise DVD's and tapes and have a treadmill. Today I did a Cindy Crawford "Next Generation" workout-felt great-really helps with appetite control-til later in the day anyway. Am going to jump on the other FL4I general forum when get a chance. Are you on the old or new menu. Mine is the old. Today I had oatmeal, tuna salad, ground turkey(cheated and had turkey keilbalska-sp?cooked with pinto beans,garlic and onion) and hot dog(cheated again and had a bun). Do you like your Power90? I'm always looking for new ones.The water part is hard for me while I'm at work because can't get to the RR very often. Will be anxious to see your stats-let me know and good luckThanks again!LC
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dibzzy
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Posted: 2 January 2007 01:45 pm |
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HI..
JUST WANT TO KNOW AFTER HOW MANY DAYS DOES THE WATER WEIGHT REDUCTION BECOME FAT LOSS DURING THE FIRST CYCLE?
THANKS
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Dobie
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Posted: 2 January 2007 10:12 pm |
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dibzzy wrote: HI..
JUST WANT TO KNOW AFTER HOW MANY DAYS DOES THE WATER WEIGHT REDUCTION BECOME FAT LOSS DURING THE FIRST CYCLE?
THANKS
Wow. I have no idea and I doubt you can give a number that is the same for everyone. I have always looked at total loss from ending date to ending date figuring if I have lost weight from the time before, it is real weight loss and not just water.
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eskie1
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Posted: 14 January 2007 05:06 am |
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Hi All,
If there is anyone in the Saskatchewan area who would be interested in joining a support group we could meet for coffee, call and post here for support if interested let me know [EDIT: email address in profile]
Thanks Rocky Last edited on 17 January 2007 07:34 am by
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Posted: 16 January 2007 07:15 pm |
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| I think I am on the first version of this diet. I cannot find the list of acceptable veggies I know I saw something a while ago but I have gone through every page and cannot find it. My veggie and fruit day is coming up on day 7 and I saw the post for veggie chili, that would be great. Does anyone know what the difference is between the plans? I have tried this one before and it works really well my problem is motivation. Anyway can you help with the beans? I appreciate it thanks so much
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Dobie
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Posted: 17 January 2007 04:29 am |
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I am not sure I am clear on your question. We eat beans and it helps us quite a bit through F&V day. I think they are fine for us.
As to the differences in the diet, there are more foods (up to 30 out of about 40 or so?) to choose from and there is more variety of foods at each meal.
Downside to some of us is there are not the foods we like: Ground turkey (OH so versital and tasty) and no hamburger or pasta.
Upside is there are baked beans, frozen yougurt (not often I am sure), etc.
Does that help?
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Posted: 17 January 2007 04:34 am |
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| thanks so much. wonder if i can add the beans for my veggie day? Well I'll try it and see. thanks again. I am on the old plan ground turkey. Guess if I want to do the new plan I have to pay again. That doesn't seem right. Once you purchased it you should get any new versions for free.
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Dobie
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Posted: 17 January 2007 05:08 am |
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| We do beans, potatos or hominy on our F&V day. But no fats or extra calories for me.
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Posted: 17 January 2007 04:27 pm |
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| Thanks Dobie you are the only one who answered me. I really appreciate it.
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Dobie
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Posted: 18 January 2007 06:35 pm |
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| You are most welcome. I love to help and I have gotten so much out of this way of eating!
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 25 January 2007 09:34 pm |
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Another yummy alternative to butter, is coconut oil.
It's the only oil you can heat at a high temp that does not break down it's molecular structure and turn into a trans-fat.
It's super healthy for you and great for blasting away stored fat because it's purely short and medium chain fatty acids (mainly mono & polyunsaturated fatty acids)
It helps contribute to weight loss, helps with heart disease and is amazing for your skin, just to name some benefits.
Pick up some organic, cold expeller pressed, extra virgin if you get a chance. I like the Nutivia Brand.
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Dobie
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Posted: 25 January 2007 09:42 pm |
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That sounds really cool! And it tastes good on veggies?
It has had so much bad press in the 80s, it makes it hard to reset my thinking on it, but I love the idea!
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 25 January 2007 11:05 pm |
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Honestly, I think the bad press was a conspiracy to push the more bad oil sales for the vegitable oil industry, which they claimed was so much healthier. NOT!!!
We all know how that turned out...LOL
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Nir
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Posted: 26 January 2007 07:46 am |
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ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_oil
Coconut oil is actually a kind of vegetable oil.
Yes, coconut oil is resistant to heats, making it more suitable for cooking than rapseed/canoloa oil.
No, it is not mostly unsaturated. 86.5% of it is saturated fatty acids.
I don't know where you're getting all those controversial health benefit claims from, but personally I would not believe them!
All oils (even the 'healthiest', such as olive and flaxseed oils) are refined products and as such contain less nutrients than the original whole food (olives, flaxseeds, walnuts, avocados etc.) and ideally should be used in moderation.
My limited understanding of FL4I is that it calls for minimal use of oils and advocates fat-free condiments wherever possible.
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