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Sibley
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Posted: 15 November 2006 11:52 pm |
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I just read Eat to Live and Disease Proof Your Child. I see no one is posting in the Eat to Live forum. Why?
Has anyone here been able to carry out this lifestyle?
Thoughts? Successes?
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Nir
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Posted: 16 November 2006 02:25 pm |
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I base my personal approach to eating on Eat To Live as well as BFFM yet I fully comply to neither. For example I don't always follow the "90% rule". If I am ever asked to recommend an approach or briefly say what I do, I'll make a reference to Eat To Live.
I am an over-eater, and I use phrase "Eat To Live quantities" to refer to 'mountains' of vegetables - that is a most important aspect of the approach. When I plan food for the day I usually try to ensure that my vegetables and fruit weigh at least 1kg. I also find the nutrient density number scale to be useful when asessing the usefulness of a food.
As we are exposed to different ideas, doubts come to our minds about whether there is one approach which is most right. For example, I don't necessarily accept Dr Fuhrman's arguments about protein, so I make a concious effort to eat a little more; I don't accept his 3-meals-and-no-snacks-between approach either. My over-eating ways mean that an invitation to eat fruits and legumes in unlimited quantities would seriously sabotage me, also.
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Sibley
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Posted: 16 November 2006 04:26 pm |
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The lack of seasoning is making me apprehensive. I could easily eat all these vegetables with dressing! (ooops). I can do it without too but I will miss the taste of condiments.
What is BFFM?
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Nir
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Posted: 16 November 2006 08:33 pm |
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I know he (Dr Fuhrman) markets his own "vegi zest" which must be a seasoning. Also his own vinigeretes. Obviously he's not into sodium. Here is what I found in Chapter 8 ("Your Plan for Substantial Weight Reduction") as elaboration of the 6-week plan
Spices, Herbs and Condiments
Use all spices and herbs, except for salt. When using condiments, a little mustard is okay, but pickled foods contain too much salt and should be avoided. If you love to use ketchop or tomato sauce, you may find lower-calorie, unsweetened ketchup at the health-food store and a tomato sauce made with no oil. Better yet, make your own tomato sauce with onion and garlic but no oil or salt.
You could always sneak whatever other condiment you need under the 90% rule.
BFFM is:
Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle by Tom Venuto: Lose weight without causing your body to go into survival mode, your metabolism to slow and weight loss to stop.
Basically it is all the technical know-how on weight loss: nutrition and exercise. The main book is 340 pages long and I can't say a bad word about it. (ok, maybe that the book is a bit pricey). I know a lot more than I did this time last year thanks to the BFFM book (and other people on this site who read it before me).
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Frankie
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Posted: 16 November 2006 10:16 pm |
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I read both of Fuhrman's books too, and have been trying to incorporate some of his ideas into my lifestyle. There is no way I can follow aa 90% rule either, but what I've been doing is:
Breakfast: whole grain product of some kind, such as whole-wheat bread with peanut butter or whole grain cereal
Snacks and lunch: fruits, vegetables, legumes only
Dinner: large portion of veggies, small portion of meat, optional minuscule portion of grains or starch, optional fruit
Like Nir, I cannot get by with only 3 meals a day and no snacks. That's asking for trouble. Better to bring in huge bags of peppers, grape tomatoes, carrot sticks, etc., so that when I want to snack, I don't choose something else.
On the days that I've followed this, I have done well. I certainly don't feel hungry and have lost weight.
My problem is the occasional chocolate binge, which unfortunately doesn't feel like a choice but like an irresistable compulsion. That problem doesn't have too much to do with ETL per se, except that I suspect if I tried to follow ETL too stringently, it would precipitate even more binges. Because everyone has different issues and different reasons for wanting to adhere to one way of eating or another, the pros and cons of each diet are different for each person.
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Mountain Mike
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Posted: 12 December 2006 06:59 pm |
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Frankie,
Interesting question....where ARE the Eat to Livers??? I would be one if I were single and in total control of my diet. As it is, I follow ETL for breakfast and lunch, kind of like what you are doing.
I am, however, considering doing the strict diet for the first 10 days of 2007 as a way of "jump starting" a new year of weight loss.
I am absolutely convinced that ETL is a great diet that will both improve health and cause one to lose weight.
I would be interested in hearing from people who have strictly followed ETL.
:) Mike
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Peter
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Posted: 13 December 2006 09:14 am |
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It's been the single greatest influence on my eating habits! (Though I have no need to follow a particilar diet plan.)
Peter
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Nir
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Posted: 14 December 2006 03:37 pm |
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| Same here. I measure how healthy my eating is by comparing whatever I'm doing to ETL protocols. But I'm not always entirely faithful.
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Peter
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Posted: 14 December 2006 07:33 pm |
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Nir wrote: Same here. I measure how healthy my eating is by comparing whatever I'm doing to ETL protocols. But I'm not always entirely faithful.
I don't look at that as a bad thing... unless someone specifically sets their goals to be entirely faithful.
I think ETL simply teaches us a whole lot about healthy eating.
Though after seeing it lower my cholesterol over 100 points in 9 weeks, it would be good to get back to being more faithful!
Peter
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crcolt
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Posted: 11 January 2007 12:02 am |
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| I read the book till the diet, fruits, veggies, and beans, blah. I can't do that.
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Sibley
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Posted: 11 January 2007 03:22 am |
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I think Eat to Live is right on the money. Do I LOVE it? NO!!!! Does it make sense? YES!!!
Make sure you read the China Study also. References to all those studies are undeniable.
I have made some AWESOME recipes with nuts in place of cheese lately. My husband feels ten times better.
I did say I am against his vitamin sales (but hey, everyone has got to make a buck.)
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2belean
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Posted: 21 February 2007 01:35 am |
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Anyone still out there doing ETL? Just wondering on your success!
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Nir
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Posted: 21 February 2007 01:39 am |
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| I try to follow it every day. I try to practice the "90% rule" where only 10% of my calories come from food that isn't nutrient-dense ( and I record my success or failure in my diary ).
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Peter
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Posted: 24 February 2007 10:01 am |
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I don't think it's the kind of diet that will have much of a following. What I do believe is that anyone who reads the book will be greatly influenced and will live a longer, slimmer life because of it!
Peter
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Hisgal
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Posted: 25 February 2007 04:39 am |
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I don't think it's the kind of diet that will have much of a following. What I do believe is that anyone who reads the book will be greatly influenced and will live a longer, slimmer life because of it!
I agree, Peter! So many that I tell about the book, say they could never cut their meat consumption down to 12 oz. per week. I didn't think I could either, when I started it. I was amazed at how satisfied I felt with all the veggies, and I would never have discoved many of the beans I've tried, if I hadn't cut down so dramatically on animal protein. I really didn't miss the meats! If I hadn't read BFFM, I would probably still be following it. But, it sure influenced my food choices.........I usually eat 2 salads a day, I eat a lot of veggies, and I have cut down on my animal protein portions..........at least I did, until this week, when I am trying the carb-cycling from BFFM.....that necessitates upping the animal protein consumption to get the protein high enough and the carbs low for the 3 days in a row. Pre-ccoking chicken and turkey, and a carton of low-fat cottage cheese, sure makes for convienience in putting together meals.
The China Study also really impacted my food choices........especially in the area of the amount of veggies I try to consume. I'd recommend that book to anyone, too.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 8 May 2007 08:52 pm |
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Anybody here?Where has everyone gone to?
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Nir
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Posted: 8 May 2007 09:23 pm |
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I'm still posting in my diary. Every day I give an account that allows an honest assesment of whether I'm following the 90% rule. I break my 'sins' down to low-nutrient-density foods (e.g. wafers, made from refined white flour (2) and vegetable oil (1)) and foods that I eat because they're 'animal protein' sources.
It goes without saying that I eat eat-to-live quantities of fruits and vegetables, though!
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fsahurie
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Posted: 11 May 2007 07:20 pm |
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I am a bit skeptical about Diet plans, been there and done that! I now only believe in lifestyle changes that one can do for the rest of their lives, with ease and no pressure.
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Nir
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Posted: 11 May 2007 07:23 pm |
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| I believe you will find Eat To Live to be in the category of lifestyle changes, then.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 11 May 2007 07:25 pm |
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For other people, yes, but I particularly dont like to eat whole foods, such as fruits and veggies, even though I know they are good for you.I believe in eating what one is comfortable in eating.
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Nir
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Posted: 11 May 2007 07:31 pm |
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As we are discussing Eat To Live in this topic, I think it is worth mentioning that the way foods are chosen is to maximise nutrition density with the aim of maximising health.
So, if you're going to focus on the foods you want to eat (and assuming they are not the foods that ETL suggests you eat) you may still achieve weight reduction, but you won't necessarily achieve the optimal health that an ETL follower will. The choice is yours however, and many people like you will prioritise short-term pleasure over long-term health benefits. a common human failing!
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fsahurie
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Posted: 11 May 2007 07:39 pm |
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Yes, that also makes sense in a way, Nir.Thanks for sharing that important information with us!
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Peter
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Posted: 14 May 2007 06:39 am |
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fsahurie,
I can't stand some fruits and vegetables, but really love others. I hope you keep giving them a try. And preparation (or lack of it) can make all the difference.
BTW, I expect in Chile you have a whole different assortment to choose from.
Peter
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fsahurie
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Posted: 15 May 2007 09:42 pm |
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Hi Peter,
In fact, the fruit here is so abundant , that it is very cheap to buy!The problem is, Chile is one of the countries with more obesity related problems, so you dont see many people actually eating fruit!
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Rdy2Run
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Posted: 29 August 2007 06:36 am |
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I guess I'm one of those former skeptical folks just moving into ETL. I started with Dean Ornish's book Eat More. Weigh Less. about 6 -7 weeks ago. I followed most of the guidelines such as staying away from any processed foods containing more than 2 grams of fat per serving. I went mostly vegetarian, allowing for a few fat free dairy products, and I could not believe how the pounds started to disappear.
I began to look for more information on the web, and I came across an Ornish follower that had converted to Fuhrman's ETL. I ordered the book and have been following the plan,(not entirely faithfully but pretty close), for the last four weeks now. The proportion of nutrient dense foods in my diet has sky rocketed and I feel absolutely fantastic. I weighed 182 lbs. and I now weigh 165 lbs. I have lost 17 lbs. in 6 - 7 weeks.
I realize that you don't need to count calories on ETL, but I've been logging everything and although my food list and the amount of food I have been consuming has increased as I've upped the vegetables and fruits, my total daily caloric intake has decreased. I am amazed at how effortless losing weight seems on this "diet". It just makes so much sense to me. And, I haven't had the time to really start my exercise regime. I've made it to the gym only about twice a week since I've started.
I really do hope that I can sustain this type of eating. So far, so good. Last edited on 29 August 2007 08:23 am by
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Sassykat
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Posted: 31 August 2007 06:17 am |
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Hi there Rdy2Run, it's good to hear of your success with the fruits and vegetables! Most people I talk to about eating fresh fruit and vegetables give me all kinds of excuses such as, they can't afford them because they are way too expensive (and then you see them buying beef jerky, dorritos and lots of meat which is expensive or what I hear a lot is, "I don't like vegetables and fruits." Yet they are so willing to buy and take weight loss pills and other vitamin supplements to try and make themselves feel better.
We have really become a clueless, self gratifying society. I was pretty much a vegetableless person also before reading ETL. At least now, I know where good health lies. I don't follow the book strictly either, but I eat probably 75% better than I use to. I don't exercise either, but I try to stay more active.
It sounds like you are doing exceptionally well! That's awesome! Good to hear of another person learning about fresh produce!
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newstart
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Posted: 1 September 2007 11:23 pm |
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Many years ago I went on a macrobiotic diet, and ETL sounds very similar, except for the lack of sea vegetable.
I had my whole family on this diet, including my husband, for a year, and everyone benefitted healthwise.
However, the kids found it very boring, and I'm afraid I did, also. I also spent more time cooking food that we didn't really care for, which meant investing more time and energy into preparing a meal that no one was going to say "Gee, Ma, this is great!" about.
Gradually, we drifted back to our hotdogs and pizza and comfort foods.
Maybe a lot of the ETL's have done the same?
Over the years, I have bought and followed for significant periods of time, and all with good results, a variety of diet or lifestyle change books, but I have always, eventually, gone back to the foods I grew up with, and which my family likes, while maybe keeping one or two changes from each of the books I eventually sent to the library.
However, this is not to say that these books did not effect any significant changes; I like wakame, I eat only good hot dogs, not the really cheap, fat and byproduct filled ones, and I make our pizzas...
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Javan
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Posted: 12 October 2007 02:41 am |
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| I went on this diet a couple years ago and lost quite a few pounds. I want to go back on part of it but can't while traveling for work. I do plan to go back on it when I am back home in December.
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Peter
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Posted: 16 October 2007 12:25 am |
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I'm losing weight now and my diet is highly ETL influenced.
Peter
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Rdy2Run
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Posted: 16 October 2007 08:50 am |
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Hello again, since my last entry on Aug. 28th, I've lost ten more pounds. Hooray, I'm at 155 lbs. I've also read the McDougall diet which emphasizes grains a bit more than the fruits and vegetables (it actually limits fruits to 2-3 a day) so although I continue to use ETL as the "standard" and I've now cut almost all animal products including nonfat dairy....I'm really doing a combination of Ornish/Fuhrman/McDougall, which is really a vegan diet with a focus on whole grains, fruits, vegetables and no more than 10% fat. My average fat intake has been between 15 and 25%, but I'm trying to cut that down.
I feel great though, and I have so much more energy. Now I need to harness some of that energy into more regular exercise. Good luck to all!
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Ohm
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Posted: 16 October 2007 01:28 pm |
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10 lbs down! That's brilliant. And I love the mix and match diet idea. We all have to find a regime that works for us on a n individual level - and I am so glad that you have found a way that works for you. Keep it up!
Becci
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justinbowness15
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Posted: 17 October 2007 05:58 pm |
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| Hey guys, this sounds a rather good diet, Where can i read the diet?
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Nir
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Posted: 17 October 2007 06:16 pm |
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Check out these links:
Eat To Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman
Don't have enough time to read Eat To Live...
diseaseproof.com
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Rdy2Run
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Posted: 18 October 2007 12:07 pm |
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Dr. McDougall and Dean Ornish also have websites that basically lay out the plans in their simplest forms. Some of the info is slightly contradictory, but they all basically prescribe a goal of 10% fat (McDougall and Ornish, at their strictest...for heart disease prevention)
drmcdougall.com
and
ornish.com
Good luck and happy eating!
--Edited to comply with forum posting guidelines
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Nir
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Posted: 18 October 2007 03:44 pm |
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I should point out that Dr Fuhrman differs in that he encourages you to have more of your calories from fat - so long as they are from the following healthy fat sources:
1. raw nuts and seeds
2. avocado
3. (unsalted) olives
For example he advocates making salad dressings by creaming raw cashew nuts in a vitamix (powerful food processor)
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Rdy2Run
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Posted: 19 October 2007 05:39 am |
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Thanks for the clarification, Nir.
I've got to take a closer look at that, although at this point...with the whole weight loss issue.... I'll probably still be staying clear of those"healthy" fatty foods.
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Nir
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Posted: 19 October 2007 12:51 pm |
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I appreciate we might be at different places in our journey. Right now I'm combining carb-cycling (some low-carb days - see BFFM) with Eat To Live - in an attempt to coax my body to give up those last few pounds it is hanging on to.
I am still following Eat To Live principles such as eating lots of vegetables (typically 2kg - 3kg per day), some fruit and some legumes (and usually vegeterian or vegan) but if you look at my macronutrient breakdown it looks roughly like 30% protein, 40% fat, 30% carbs.
Incidentally, even the stricter 6-week-plan in Eat To Live still calls for 25g of raw nuts and seeds and a tablespoon of ground flaxseeds.
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Peter
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Posted: 25 October 2007 05:19 am |
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If we're reporting I've lost 4.5 in three weeks. Fast enough for me.
Peter
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Rdy2Run
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Posted: 10 November 2007 10:49 am |
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Well, the combination diet with ETL has been working and I've started to add nuts back into my diet. Not too many, but I've lost another 10 lbs. since my last post...I guess that's in about 3 weeks? 3.5? I'm at 145 now. I have gradually been adding exercise in ...mostly jogging about 2 to 3 times a week now. Not a whole lot, but I'm feeling pretty good. Nothing gimmicky about this weight loss. Is anyone else reporting?
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Nir
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Posted: 10 November 2007 02:55 pm |
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| My progress is less interesting. I've been around 120lb for a while.
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Rdy2Run
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Posted: 21 December 2007 12:23 am |
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....Still following ETL......I've hit a plateau at about 140lbs, but I ran my first 5K last Sunday, 10 seconds under 30 minutes. Can't seem to lose more weight...Maybe its all the nuts I've added? I wouldn't mind being stuck at 120 lbs....that's actually my goal! The good thing is.....I feel great and have not even caught a cold this season (knock on wood-Did I just jinx myself?)
Happy Holidays to all you ETL folks! Here's to a fantastic new year!
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Nir
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Posted: 21 December 2007 01:19 am |
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| To answer the original question posed by the topic, I found a few people on the Eat2Live mailing list at Yahoo. I'm not rich enough to afford Dr Fuhrman's members' centre which he charges for.
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Javan
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Posted: 15 January 2008 06:33 pm |
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I have to admit that I fell off the ETL wagon. But, I am happily regaining my footing as I try to pull myself back on.
It was so easy when I was on the road to eat the most delicious meal and have the best variety of beers whenever I wanted.
Oh how I miss it! But I feel 100% better in just 2.5 weeks off the road.
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Nir
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Posted: 15 January 2008 08:28 pm |
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| My next Eat To Live challenge is doing it during a 10-day stay in hospital. Hospital food will simply not be up to the required standard. My body may initially also not co-operate. Though this is a relatively short-term concern: by day 10 I'm sure the issue will principally be food availability. I guess this is analogous to your travelling issues.
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Javan
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Posted: 15 January 2008 08:39 pm |
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| I am not so sure that I would want that challenge. Anytime that I have had hospital food, the idea of fresh fruits and veggies seemed to be missed by the kitchen staff.
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Peter
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Posted: 16 January 2008 07:02 am |
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I'm having a procedure on the 28th that requires that I not eat any fiber for three days. Now, that's not ETL!
Other than that, I'm easing back into it with the New Year New YOU! Challenge. I'm working on cutting down animal products to a minimum, with  or  about three times a week.
Peter
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Javan
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Posted: 16 January 2008 12:27 pm |
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No fiber! Ugh! I know I would not like that at all. As for the lacking animal products, I too have been cutting back. It is so nice to be back in control of ones diet.
Hopefully your pocedure is not something life threatening.
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 16 January 2008 07:29 pm |
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Thanks. It's just a test... let's hope they don't find anything life threatening!
Peter
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Rdy2Run
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Posted: 18 January 2008 12:39 am |
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Peter-Hope to hear that everything is well with you. Happy new year!
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Micchi
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Posted: 8 May 2008 01:39 am |
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| So I read the Eat to Live Book, and to someone who had been eating like this in college a few years ago the idea seemed just fine, I had actually made a decision to try and add more veggies & fruits into my diet and eat less meat. Tho I'm seeing that no one has posted in awhile. Did everyone leave? Will I be the only one doing Eat to Live?
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